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‘Kirkbride Jesus’ debates crowd of student spectators

Published: Monday, March 5, 2012

Updated: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 03:03

Kirkbride

Amelia Wang

An unidentified man began arguing with Mark Johnson, who regularly preaches outside of Kirkbride Hall, in front of a large crowd on Thursday.


A half hour before his solid mechanics class let out of Kirkbride Hall Thursday afternoon, sophomore and engineering major Matt Sparacino heard sudden loud shouting coming from outside.

"We thought, ‘Oh, it's Kirkbride Jesus again,'" Sparacino said of his 100-student class.

But when the students left the building at 3:15 p.m. and filed out onto the courtyard, they saw Mark Johnson, 48, colloquially called "Kirkbride Jesus" by students, and another man arguing about the former's preaching.

According to Sparacino, the man, who looked to be in his thirties, said amidst the crowd that he had been passing through the area for years and wasn't happy with Johnson's presence. The man cited Johnson's use of circular logic, which Sparacino said involves "using the Bible to prove the Bible," in his argument.

"Sometimes I feel like he's being really aggressive," Sparacino said. "But after today, I gained a lot of respect for him. In light of petty arguments, he held his ground."

Johnson, a Port Deposit, Md. resident, said the man told him he has heard Johnson preach since 1998 and "was tired of it."

"He wasn't asking a lot of questions," Johnson said. "He was making statements. When I tried to answer his questions, he didn't like my answers."

He said it doesn't surprise him when people respond negatively to his preaching methods. The response itself is what matters to him most, he said.

"When you preach the gospel, it's a win-win," Johnson said. "It's never a bad day when you wake up. It's a lot more fun when you've got 100 people standing around you."

Senior Daniel Bleeker said he heard about the growing crowd outside Kirkbride Hall from a friend's text message, which prompted him to see the debate himself. He said he primarily saw one person questioning the preacher about religious topics, but said other members of the crowd sporadically participated in the discussion.

Bleeker, who identified himself as a Christian, said he believes Johnson can sometimes appear overaggressive and unpleasant when he preaches, but thought the incident allowed students to talk openly about their beliefs.

"I mean, I do like the discussion of religion, an actual discussion because let's face it—we kinda try to avoid it," Bleeker said.

Sophomore Brandon Blue lingered in a group of students after the crowd had dissipated, discussing points brought up during the interaction.

"A lot of people write him off without listening to what he's saying," Blue said. "It was good for some people to stop and listen. It gave us an opportunity to openly discuss what we believe and why we believe it."

Senior Nick Audette said he asked Johnson questions about the authority of the church after the crowd began to disperse. While he said he is not religious and almost considers himself anti-religion, he thought the opportunity to debate philosophical matters in an open setting was a positive experience. He compared it to ancient Athens, where Socrates and other philosophers debated their points in open air.

 "It's sort of interesting that this is a way to make that happen, even if I don't agree with what he's saying," Audette said.

The biochemistry major said the conversations spurred by the incident were surprising because they are rare on a college campus.

"I was just interested to see a large group of people talking about things because it doesn't happen that often," Audette said.

Junior Megan Rabian, president of the Baptist Student Ministry, said she was surprised to hear such a large crowd gathered around Johnson last week. She said she thinks students often don't pay attention to him because he speaks extensively about sin and condemnation.

"That's a big turn-off," Rabian said.

Evangelism, the preaching of Christ's teachings, is meant to spur open dialogue about religion, she said, and Johnson accomplishes that in his own way.

"Any conversation that starts people questioning the Bible or wanting to know more about the Bible is a really great thing," Rabian said.

She said her student group also tries to spread the gospel, or Christ's message, to the university community. Before the demolition of the group's former Amstel Avenue residence, which made way for the ongoing construction of a new, bigger building, Rabian said ministry members handed out free donuts and hot chocolate on the street, talking to students who stopped by about the gospel. Members also visited freshman dorms asking students if they needed their trash taken out, then offered their thoughts.

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15 comments

Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:11
Open intellectual discussion and debate are rarer, but not just at UD. Campus speech codes, litigation and authoritarian political correctness have a dampening effect on such things.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 14 2012 00:08
Dear UD REVIEW, God, Jesus, Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, U.S. Attorney General honorable Eric Holder, De Attorney General "Beau", and Pa attorney general.God it's interesting how they gang stalked and retaliated against me for being a whistleblower. It is interesting how i was being mobbed at Harrisburg Area Community College in Lancaster how I filed those formal complaint with the Pa Governors office of the Human Relations Commission and EEOC. Thanks for helping me keep track of everything God. It interesting how the mobbing started in May of 2007 just after my girlfriend lost a baby and almost died in the Hershey Medical center. The harassment continued from May of 2007 all the way to August of 2008. After the formal complaint was filed, I was then harassed and stalked by the security at U.D., the police, and the community. They call it "corporate stalking" God. God those case numbers are as followed:PHRC Case No.200800802 and EEOC Case No. 17F200960329. They formal "good faith" complaint number 60 counts of harassment and discrimination. God, thanks for giving me the wisdom to immediately do the right thing, and file those formal "good faith" complaints with the Pa Governors office. Jesus, I was the third professor in three years to be mobbed, and harassed. I was fourth person at Harrisburg Area Community College in Lancaster Pa to be harassed, and discriminated against if you count that "homosexual" who was ran off. Thanks God for giving me the wisdom to keep journals with dates, times, and the names of those who retaliated against me, mobbed me, and then engaged in a bizarre form of "corporate stalking" or organized cause stalking. Thank you too God for getting me those U.D. police reports, that are riddled with lies, and that have a "trustworthy" witness, who was buddy of the two U.D.security guards, that lied every single time he called into report stuff to his two buddies that worked for the U.D. security. Thank you God for allowing me to make it through three "honorable" discharges from the U.S.Army without a scratch. And thank you most sincerely for placing that ethical Forensic's doctor on me at the Delaware psych clinic named Dr. Robert G. thompson. Thank you for allowing him to have the wisdow to say, "I wasn't aware of what was going on around me, and that I am truely an honest person". I liked to thank you both jesus and God for having me appear before that ethical judge, the honorable Jerome O. Herlihy, and having him knowingly state many things, that certainly would led any first year law student or criminology student to understand "malicious prosecution", "police misconduct, and "felony" retaliation of a whistleblower occurred. The judge state, "get rid of that attorney. he is no good. where did you get him. he isn't helping you. What is he whispering? tell me. what did he say. Dont listen him. What kind of deal did these two give you. Why are U.D. security guards heading up to Lancaster Pa anyway? that's weird. It doesn't make sense. You are from York and not from lancaster? this is strange." Well now you know judge Jerome O. Herlihy why they were headed up to lancaster, and now you know as bizarre as it sounds, these guys were stalking me. Now you know Judge. "God, they tried to discredit by saying, "i saying had schzophrenia or I was dilussional", but God both the Judge and the forsenic psychologist stated, "there is nothing wrong with you." This is typical in whistleblower cases. And these security guards, the police, and the college attempted to pull the military wild card on me, and they all tried to say, "I was dangerous, aggressive, and had weapons". They used that to gain entry into my house, steal my college books, pile my ex-girlfriends polo gifts up in the middle of the bed, and steal my three army medal i had earned. But God I am pacifest, and I have never owned a gun, so thank you for allowing Judge Jerome O. herlihy, and Dr. Robert G. Thompson for confirming that "i am not dangerous" and the Judge saying, "You are Dangerous. I am not going to throw you in jail. Jail is for dangerous people. And you are certainly not one of them." God could you strike that U.D.security guard down then who stated "You want to kill more student at U.D.then virginia tech. You want blow up U.D." I didn't know what the goof was talking about then, and God I still do not know what the goof is talking about. God I believe these U.D.security guards create this illusion I was dangerous in order to support their bogus charges against me, so that they could discredit me, nullify me, and silence me as a whistleblower. I believe they manufactured a crime. i believe they created an illusion a crime was committed through trickery with the intension of Nullifying a whistleblower, Discrediting a Whistleblower, and Silencing a Whistleblower. Thanks God And Jesus for having the ACLU help me create a time-line. The Time-line really does put the organized cause stalking in perspective. God, and Jesus is there one...
Anonymous
Tue Mar 13 2012 22:35
Dear Jesus, God, UDREVIEW, Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, Pa Attorney General, DE Attorney General, and U.S. Attorney General....oh, HARKER, and OGDEN

What does Jesus say about law enforcement officials, and security guards at U.D. who engage in organized cause stalking under the cover of an investigation. What does God say about mobbing a professor because he filed a formal "good faith" complaint to the Pa Governors office. Those complanit numbers are as followed: PHRC Case No.200800802 and EEOC Case No.17F200960329. What would God say about a college, that has harassed, discriminated and ran off three professors in three years, and one homosexual? What does the bibles say about those whose retaliate against a whistleblower, who filed a formal "good faith" complaint against Harrisburg Area Community College in Lancaster, who engaged in harassment, discrimination, and running off homosexuals? what does the bible, God, and Jesus say about lying on police reports, security guards electonically harassing by a whistelblower by cell phone (baiting, luring, agitating), police and security guards electonically stalking a whistleblower and what would God say about busting into a pacifest professors house based on saying the professor is dangerous and has weapons? What would God, Jesus, and the bible all say about the public defender, and prosecutor engaging in "Malicious prosecution". What would God, Jesus, and the Bible say about, police misconduct, "felony" retalaition of a Whistleblower, and "Malicious prosecution". What would they all say about creating the illusion a crime was committed through trickery in order to discredit, nullify, and silence a whistleblower. What would God say about an unethical "Freemason" journalist named Ad. Crable at the Lancaster Newspaper posting lies about the whistleblower 12x the day of his house being broken into. How about this, forget about what God, Jesus, and the Bible would say. What would Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, The U.S. Attorney General honorable Eric Holder, Del attorney General "beau", and The Pa Attorney General say about the follow: "Police misconduct", "felony" retaliation of a whistleblower, and 'Malicious prosecution". What would The U.S.Attorney general, Attorney General "beau", Pa attorney general, and Judge jerome O. herlihy all think about police, security, citizen informants(liars) mobbing an individual, and organize cause stalking an individual under the cover of an investigation in order to discredit, nullify, and silence a whistleblower. I would think outside of God, Jesus, and the Bible forbidding these thing, I would think all of these violations mentioned would be against the law. But I don't know? Are those things above illegal? such as: lying on police reports, false testimony on police reports, retaliating against a whistleblower, police electronically harassing one by cell phone (baiting, luring, agitating), police and security electonically stalking by cell phone, creating the illusion a crime is committed in order to retaliate and nullify a whistleblower, malicious prosecution, and police misconduct. Thanks you for allowing me to state my opinion, freedom of speech through the freepress.

Anonymous
Tue Mar 13 2012 01:26
Dear UD REVIEW, Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, Jesus and GOD,

Why are security guards at U.D. lying on police reports, and engaging in internet blackballing with Peter Kotz, and Ad Crable, "the freemason" of the Lancaster newspaper. Jesus are they FREEMASONS? Why are they retaliating against Whistleblower in different state? GOD why are you allowing organized cause stalkers to egage in "malicious prosecution" of a whistleblower? Does the Bible say "it's ok" to overlook police misconduct, Organized Cause stalking, "felony" retaliation of a whistleblower, and "malicious prosecution" thanks for allowing me to express my freedom of speech through the freepress. Thanks Judge Jerome O. herlihy and UD REVIEW for allowing me to express my opinion on being a victim of whistleblower retaliation, and organized cause stalking.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 12 2012 21:28
DEAR UD REVIEW, Attorney General "Beau", Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, and U.S. Attorney General "Honorable" Eric Holder,

What does Jesus say about handing lies on U.D. police reports over to the prosecutors office, and public defenders office so that they can "make deals" out of no crime that ever occurred at all...other then the one that was manufactured? What would God say???...Of trickery, and organized cause stalking a target individual for who you baited into, lured into, and provoked in order to create the illusion a crime was committed to discredit, nullify, and silence a whistleblower? What would God say, or Jesus say....let alone the ATTORNEY GENERAL of Delaware, Judge Jerome O. Herlihy or the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder say of all those things? Do you think any of them would feel that those things are right? What does God say about a prosecutor, and public defender over in Wilmington making a fool out of the Delaware justice system, a judge of the superior court of Delaware, and a client or defendent? Do you think GOD or JESUS would call it "malicious prosecution", "felony" retaliation of whistleblower, or "police miscondust"? I wonder, and I wonder what God thinks of all that? I wonder what the attorney general, Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, and the U.S. Attorney General thinks of all that? Maybe God and Jesus, and everybody else would just think it's all ok...As long as you can get away with it. Maybe both God and Jesus would say, "what's the purpose of either the Attorney General of Delaware, or the U.S. Attorney General having a Police Misconduct unit that investigates these things, and a dept that finds these behaviors entirely inappropriate if you are not going to punish those individuals who engage in such illegal activity?" In any regards thanks for allowing me to express my freedom of speech. Thanks for allowing me express my opinion, and freespeech through freedom of the press.

Anonymous
Sun Mar 11 2012 15:55
DEAR UDREVIEW, JUDGE JEROME O. HERLIHY, and ATTORNEY GENERAL "Beau".

Maybe Jesus could teach the University of Delaware security not to lie on police reports, and not have their "trustworthy" buddy call in and give false testimony on police reports in order retaliate against a whistleblower. What does the Bible say about baiting, luring, and agitating "target individuals" in order to create the illusion a crime is being committed so that a group can discredit, nullify, and silence a whistleblower? What does the Bible say about "malicious prosecution" of a whistleblower, and "felony" retaliation of a whistleblower Judge Jerome O. Herlihy? If God were here, how would he handle organized cause stalkers on the U.D.Campus, and engaging in it with other organized harassers in Lancaster Pennsylvania? How would HARKER'S christian beliefs feel about these crimes, and those who committed them in the name of being a "moral gate keeper"? I just wonder if God is listening sometimes? Thanks for allowing me to express my freedom of speech through the freepress?

Anonymous
Sun Mar 11 2012 13:13
I'd like to see this guy debate Dan Barker, the head of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. (You can check out their website at ffrf.org it's a great site! He also has a wonderful book called Godless, How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists. Or I also recommend The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Too many Christians won't read literature like they that because of they're afraid of what will happen if they do. They'll just dismiss it like I did when I was brainwashed by religion.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 9 2012 16:30
I would encourage open-minded people who want an explanation of Christianity that answers common questions to read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel, a former atheist reporter for the Chicago Tribune. Also "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis, author of the Narnia books, was an atheist who became a Christian around age 30 as a college professor at Oxford University.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 8 2012 14:40
Colleges are supposed to be places for open, intellectual discussions but that isn't what they are now adays. Now its more so a bunch of spoiled, immature children doing "work" so they can get a better job in life, rather than bettering themselves intellectually.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 8 2012 12:41
"He wasn't asking a lot of questions," Johnson said. "He was making statements. When I tried to answer his questions, he didn't like my answers." - Because your answers involve circular arguments about myths. When are people going to wake up and realize that Yahweh and Jesus and Mohammad have the same power as Thor and Xenu and Zeus. NO POWER AT ALL.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 8 2012 11:42
I like the horrible journalism in quoting people's opinions about the debate without quoting the actual debate. If you don't have information on what was actually said, it just looks silly to get second hand quotes expressing opinions on who won.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 8 2012 11:32
It's always a good thing when people show up on a college campus and preach how others are going to hell if they don't believe in an undetectable invisible magic man. It allows those people to say why they believe such clearly fictitious crud. Clearly, we need much more clearly fictitious crud preached to the students. It's a win/win.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 8 2012 11:04
The bible also commands you not to eat shellfish, shave, or suffer a woman to teach. It also holds up as moral activities genocide, incest, slavery, murder, torture, and ignorance.

Read your bible, it's an awful little book.

Anonymous
Thu Mar 8 2012 08:02
It is good to see Mr. Johnson doing God's will as he sees it.. He is doing what the Bible commands us to do.
Anonymous
Tue Mar 6 2012 14:48
"The biochemistry major said the conversations spurred by the incident were surprising because they are rare on a college campus." No...colleges are supposed to be places for open intellectual discussion and debate. Why is this rare at UD specifically?




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