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‘Kirkbride Preacher’ claims should be challenged

Published: Monday, April 23, 2012

Updated: Monday, April 23, 2012 17:04


 

I am the person who challenged the street preacher outside Kirkbride Hall on March 1, and wish to address your article.

First, I am a full-time student here, though I am, as your article described, in my 30s. I first attended the university in 1999, left to join the Army after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and returned to complete my degree in 2009.

Mr. Johnson, or one of his associates, has been standing in that spot for at least the past 14 years, shouting fire and damnation, telling passing students they literally deserve to die.  Somehow, if that sort of hateful message is draped in a cross, it’s considered OK. Can you imagine another situation in which anyone would defend a man who conducts himself in this manner? His associate once shouted, “God loved us so much, he sent his only son to be slaughtered. ” In what other context does such a statement make sense, that a being can show love through the horrible torture and murder of  another? It’s a monstrous idea; it’s scapegoating on a cosmic scale, and frankly, deserves to be challenged.

I should like to point out that I never asked him to leave; I acknowledge and respect his right to free speech.  However, free speech does not mean unopposed speech. I do not respect religious belief in general, or Christianity in particular, and feel in no way obligated to honor the taboos against criticizing the religious beliefs held by others. The point of my exchange with Mr. Johnson was to let him know that not everyone agrees with his worldview, and to provide, at least for an afternoon, a dissenting viewpoint. I reacted passionately to a person shouting blatant falsehoods on a university campus.

I would ask those who defend or “respect” Mr. Johnson’s methods and message how they would feel if instead of a lay minister “spreading the good word,” Mr. Johnson was a brown man who claimed we deserve to die because the Koran says so, rather than because we don’t adhere to the Bible? What if he were insisting the Book of Mormon were the inerrant word of God, or that our failure to embrace Marxism makes us worthy of death? What if he had been shouting about E-meters, Dianetics and Xenu (aspects of Scientology, for those unaware)? Imagine if he claimed the only path to eternal paradise was honorable death in battle, as the Norse believed.

If his horrendous claims were based on anything other than accepted modern religious faith, no one would question our disbelief. If his abhorrent view of reality weren’t couched in a faith the majority passively accept, that the majority agree with, they would be universally ridiculed and rejected. Mr. Johnson repeatedly asked me to “prove” there was no God. I respond to these claims with the late Christopher Hitchens’ maxim “That which may asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.” Proof for a thing’s nonexistence is an invalid concept; if a thing exists, it will leave evidence.  If a thing does not exist, it will not leave evidence. I would be just as unable to prove the Tooth Fairy doesn’t exist.

People must critically examine their beliefs, and should consider not only what they believe, but why.  The majority of theists base their beliefs either on simple tradition (they were indoctrinated into their faiths since infancy) or base appeal to authority (the church and the Bible say it, so it must be true). My goal was not to silence Mr. Johnson, but to encourage other students to think about why they believe what they do. Many assert the Bible is the foundation of our morality, but we know this isn’t true. We don’t believe the appropriate punishment for a rape is to force the rapist to pay the victim’s family 50 silver shekels and marry his victim, as the Bible says. We don’t support the genocide of other nations based on their religious ideals. We don’t respect or venerate cult leaders who proclaim they have come “to set man against man, to put the son at variance with the father,” we don’t hold slavery as a part of the natural order and a moral institution, and we recoil at the notion that we can punish one person to forgive the crimes of another. My beliefs are based on scholarship, observation, experimentation, in short scientific study. Science is a quest for understanding; it is a process that doesn’t have all the answers. It can even be wrong, occasionally. I believe that given enough time, we will find all the answers, but that’s simply optimism. Regardless, “I don’t know” is a perfectly acceptable, and honest, answer.  

Theists assert the answer is God, based on nothing but ancient writings, and then become upset (often brutally, violently, murderously upset, over the past 3,000 years or so) when a person like me points out how absurd it all is. If I told you I believed the world was a disc on the back of a massive turtle, you’d tell me I was mad. If I said the world was the body of a giant slain by Odin, you wouldn’t consider it. But because the current myth still holds some sway, the idea that the Earth spontaneously popped into being at the will of deity 6,000 to 10,000 years ago, when we know the Earth is around 4.6 billion years old, is somehow not ridiculous.

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43 comments

Geoffrey Law
Tue Apr 24 2012 16:08
Great job, Dan! Very well put!
Susan Chamberlein
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:47
I respect you, young man. You have stronger courage and conviction than 99% of the young Christian people today. I never thought I'd see the day when Christians were the ones being hypocrites and committing evil deeds and the young Atheists were doing good deeds in the world.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:45
Fantastic read. You are a credit to your university, your country, and our species as a whole.
Shalyn
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:38
Excellently written! It's good to see that there are still a few sane, sound-minded people out there. I am so sorry for your experiences in Iraq, though I'm sure that they have helped shape you into the person that you are today. It is rather disappointing how the United States, with all of its medical, technological and social advancements, still practices such archaic persecutions against "non-believers". Unfortunately if we atheists have any desire whatsoever to be a part of society, we are either forced to keep our nonbelief closeted or else deal with daily bigotry from our co-workers, friends, and even our families. Hopefully one day we will move past this hurdle.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:34
Great read. Kudos to The Review for having the guts to post your letter as well.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:21
These men and women fight for there own moral reasons, without the reward of a heaven, they show that they have a stronger will and ideals than most christian soldiers there.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:18
AMEN!
Fred Bird
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:17
"An Atheist who disrespects the Zealot's belief is similar to a Zealot saying all humanists will burn in hell." Wait, what? Zealot: "You deserve eternal agony." Atheist: "You are spouting a baseless, ugly fantasy." Gary: "You guys are just alike. And I claim to understand the term 'moral equivalency.'"
Bo_knows
Tue Apr 24 2012 15:01
Gary, the author did not say that the belief in God was equivalent to the belief in the tooth fairy. He merely stated that proving that God does not exist is akin to proving that the tooth fairy does not exist. It requires no evidence. The burden of proof is always on the person making a claim that something exists. You should not have to prove that Spiderman does not exist if I were to shout from the rooftops that he did. I should be the one having to prove that a webslinger lives among us.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 14:56
Great Information, always love hearing from someone who knows that they believe. Keep fighting the good fight, maybe someday we will liberate the oppressed.
AussieCrustacean
Tue Apr 24 2012 14:54
Incredible. Powerful. Kudos to you. Your article brings a tear to my eye. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this at your university, but am so proud of you to have done something so courageous. Something that the majority of people just would not do. You're a fine example of what's good about America. I can only hope that your message is not lost in the years to come.
TheismRules
Tue Apr 24 2012 14:38
The tooth fairy does exist. He left a quarter underneath my pillow, so your entire argument is invalid. Suck it, atheists.
Gary
Tue Apr 24 2012 14:32
Well written and valid points. However, the militant Atheist runs the risk of becoming what he despises by denying and condescending the power and usefulness of religious myths in society. An Atheist who disrespects the Zealot's belief is similar to a Zealot saying all humanists will burn in hell. And to say the belief in God is equivalent to belief in the Tooth Fairy is a moral equivalent fallacy. I say keep challenging traditional Christian belief and even be skeptical of modern secularism.
G Dub
Tue Apr 24 2012 14:17
Well put... I have a military question for you... If Christians believe they will spend an eternity in paradise when they die, why would they bother to hide in a foxhole in the first place? There should only be atheist in foxholes. lol.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 13:43
Actually nonbelievers are fastest growing religious group in America. However the evangelical Christians are still very large and EXTREMELY loud part of American society.
Matt
Tue Apr 24 2012 13:39
Thank you for standing up for your beliefs. We're behind you.
Anonymous
Tue Apr 24 2012 13:32
Excellent article, well written with a lot of good points.

As a UK citizen I actually find it surprising that anybody would challenge you at all. Atheism is the accepted norm here, devoutly religious people and especially street preachers here are few and far between, and are generally ridiculed and seen as "crazy".

I guess there is a larger cultural difference than we think between the developed nations. The majority of europe is gradually leaving religion behind, while america seems to be embracing it more than ever. Very interesting.

robcrimmins
Tue Apr 24 2012 12:51
Well said. Your point about Christians' non belief in genies, etc,. has another aspect. Faith is a suspension of reason and that can only be done on occasion and with mental effort. The vast majority of everyone's waking hours are spent dealing with reality which is best accomplished through the use of reason, the tool of our specie's survival. The only time a Christian believes in God is when he tries to. The rest of the time he, like atheists, believes in cause and effect. So Christians not only are atheists regarding all previous gods they don't believe in their own god 99% of the time.
Alex P
Tue Apr 24 2012 12:32
Great post, love to see the work of fellow redditors
Tom
Tue Apr 24 2012 12:29
Simply outstanding, and I thank you not only for your service to our country, but for your courage to challenge the absurdities inherent in organized religions, and to do so quite eloquently.

Bravo.





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